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manning |
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Posts: 48 ( 5-Nov-09 16:34:09) |
hello,i am just coming to the end of my current cycle and am going to give rest pause training a serious try.i wondered if you gentlemen would share any wisdom
or tips,thoughts that you may have on the subject.i plan to be pressing,chinning with weight and dead lifting,with the addition of a little neck and grip
work.any input is appreciated so thank you
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Posts: 436 ( 5-Nov-09 19:31:32) Moderator |
Sorry to say, but I have no real experience with Rest-Pause training. I've read about it, but reading about it and actually doing it are two entireley
different things. Are you going to be using the large multi-joint movements in Rest/Pause style? How often do you plan on training the lifts/movements?
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Posts: 48 ( 6-Nov-09 14:10:14) |
hi yes i am going to be using th big lifts,i have planned my workouts as follows,tuesday,clean and press,1x8,1x6,with the same weight,after warmups i will do
each rep with a strict 15 seconds between reps,one minuite between sets when i get 8 and 6 i will increase the weight,straight into chins with weight same
format as the press, then neck and grip work,side bends. friday will be deadlift work up in weight in the traditional style then 1x15 rest pause 15 seconds
between reps,just time to take a few deep breaths and re-set myself to pull again followed by straight arm pullover ,then ez curls 1x9,1x6,hanging leg raises
1x20,thats it,i thought that if work,family etc and the rest of what life has to offer us makes it impossible to train twice weekly i will do the full workout
just once a week at the end of my working week so recovery should be good,what do you think?
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Posts: 461 ( 6-Nov-09 16:13:58) Moderator |
I often use rest pause with my deadlifts. I like to do it with DL's because I feel I keep my form better. I usually do a rep,stand up, take three deep
breaths,then get into position and do the next. It's a tough way to train the lift. 15 second rests seem to be alot.but thats just my preference. Your
workout is super abbreiviated thats for sure,but covers the entire body tho.If you train hard on this it'll work
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Posts: 436 ( 9-Nov-09 09:29:52) Moderator |
I guess that rest-pause is probably safer using the deadlift than squats? I do remember doing something similar years ago with Drew: We would do a single in
the trap bar then wait exactly one minute to do another rep, for a total of ten. I don't know if you would consider it strict rest-pause training or not.
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Posts: 48 ( 9-Nov-09 14:19:55) |
oh yes that sounds familiar,the one minuite pause,it seems a long rest,but if your training at arounnd 90% of your maximum its not is it?and its amazing how
quick that minuite goes when your huffing and puffing,in fact it really gives the old heart and lungs a good workover,i like it because it gives a true
indication of progress,as long as your strict with your timeing,you cant cheat there is no momentum,i think Brooks wrote once that the people who train this
way not only look big and strong,they are,if its good enough for him,,,,,i think i have read of Drew,,thru hardgainer.
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Posts: 436 ( 9-Nov-09 15:15:14) Moderator |
Drew has appeared in the pages of Hardgainer many times. However to truly appreciate him you have to see him in person. I had the pleasure of training with him
many times. Incidentally, after the trap bar deads, we would usually do three sets of either Hammer Leg Presses or the TK Squat machine for 15 reps. Again,
with only enough rest between sets for the other person to complete his set. The last movement would be either a press or bench press followed by one or two
sets of negative chins.
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Posts: 48 ( 9-Nov-09 15:40:22) |
i hear he eats a lot!!!! lol i have never used a trap bar,are they very good for us long limbed bunch?i have used a few pieces of Hammer equipment and thought
the deadlift was very good.
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Posts: 436 ( 9-Nov-09 19:43:53) Moderator |
The trap bar is an excellent tool, especially for guys with long arms/legs. It is especially good for high reps. The Hammer deadlift is a machine I've
never had much luck with--Drew had one and I never felt comfortable using it. In fact, one time I really hurt my back doing high reps with it. For me, anyway,
the trap bar was a much better, not to mention safer, alternative. As far as Drew's eating is concerned, you heard correctly: he does eat a lot. He is a
prodiguous eater---both in terms of speed and quantity. How about a sicilian pizza pie washed down with a 2-liter bottle of coke as a late night snack after
work. Many times we would go out to eat after working out and he would usually order two entrees and make easy work of them, then order a dessert. I've
gone to Peter Luger's with him and the steak-for-two was nothing for him. He could easily finish off the steak-for-three if he wanted. Bob can also attest
to Drew's abilities both as a strength athlete and and eater. In fact, both Drew and Bob have written articles about training and eating both in NYC and
DC.
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Posts: 13 ( 9-Nov-09 21:14:13) |
I've been trying to find out more about Drew. Has he written any books or done any tapes? There is very little about him other than a few articles by and
about him on Naturalstrength.com. I've only seen a couple of grainy pics of him, man does he look huge.
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Posts: 268 ( 9-Nov-09 21:42:41) Administrator |
Drew is a great guy (and a real character too) but he is kind of a recluse. He is hard to get ahold of, usually doesn't pick up the phone, and does not
speak with many people. He also does not use computers much, I've tried to get him to write more and also to come on our board here but the last I heard he
still does not even use email. He mainly loves 2 things in life - yep, you guessed it. Strength Training and Eating and he is very good at both! :-) Me, Jim
and Drew ate together several times in both NY at Peter Luger's Steak House and at Morton's and Ruth Chris Steak House in DC after each of the Capital
City Strength Clinics I used to put on. Drew ate legendary amounts of food. He also know more about strength training equipment than anyone in the world.
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Posts: 461 ( 9-Nov-09 22:09:53) Moderator |
somebody dangle a T-bone over his head and get him to come aboard and post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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manning |
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Posts: 48 (10-Nov-09 07:55:42) |
yes he sounds it Bob from what you and Jim have said,sounds like you all have had some great times!it seems to be that a lot of the greatest natural lifters
tend to be quite reserved and maybe a bit of a loner.maybe that is because training the way a lot of us do is rarely seen in most gyms,and by training at home
or somebodies garage etc you are not surrounded by drug enthused egos.
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Posts: 436 (10-Nov-09 16:35:15) Moderator |
The last time I spoke to Drew was a few years ago. He had been studying martial arts. Like Bob said, Drew is a hard man to pin down. Every once in a while
I'll leave a message on his machine to no avail. I had some great workouts- and meals- with Drew. One of the best things about training, and there are
many, is the opportunity to get to know some great guys, and Drew is one. I first met him at Dr. Ken's Iron Island Gym after it first opened in 1992. He
was wearing a Bengals T-shirt and I swore he was a professional football player- that's how massive he was. And, yes, he would be a great addition to the
forum.
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Posts: 13 (11-Nov-09 11:07:19) |
Thanks for the feed back guys. It's too bad guys like Drew, Bob, and others don't have books out, or some dvds. It would be great to have more sensible
training material to read. It sucks that the only stuff out there is 99% crap. I'm very fortunate to have found this site, and and to have been
"wise" enough to have followed the advise on it, even though it goes against what the "experts" say. Keep up the great work Bob,and Drew,
and Brad, and Stuart ect.
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manning |
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Posts: 48 (11-Nov-09 16:33:34) |
i whole heartedly agree with you decker,, we are very fortunate to share the wisdom of these great guys,they have a wealth of knowledge.are all considered to
be among the most knowledgeable in this field and are hands on. i consider myself humbled in this company. if we don't end up as strong as an ox now,,, we
never will !lol!!
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Posts: 436 (12-Nov-09 09:14:21) Moderator |
Now we have to keep it going. Like Bob says, we need guys to post and contribute. The oldetime strength training and the legends that made it will never die so
long as we keep it alive.
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manning |
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Posts: 48 (12-Nov-09 15:02:18) |
I make you right there Jim,,,,although we have some living legends on this site and from what i have read of what Bob has to say about you,your one of them.we
do needs guys to post,and as a newcomer to the circle it can be a little daunting,there are some fantastic lifters on here and if there is anyone else out
there like me they may feel their question or input may seem a little old hat to you guys.but i just thought I'm gunna post!till they either ban me or
ignore me! lol!its so interesting to here how differently we all train,and to try and incorporate a small piece of that into your own training,if you don't
ask the question you never know the answer,do ya,,
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Posts: 268 (12-Nov-09 15:24:33) Administrator |
Jim is one of the legends on here for sure. If he was born about 50 years earlier (before drugs) he would be famous. Besides just the eating part, I have also
trained with Jim a few times when I visited Drew. We had some great workouts! Believe it or not, Jim is about equal to Drew in strength but a lot smaller. Jim
is NOT SMALL, He's huge, just compared to Drew he is a lot smaller but lifts about the same poundages! Jim hung right in there with the same poundages as
Drew in the workouts I saw.
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