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jonsgym |
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Posts: 7 ( 5-Aug-08 07:00:10) |
Mr Whelan, I am going to train a 17 year old English lad who wants to reach international standard in Rugby Football ( similar to American Football ) in three
years time. He is currently 6ft 3ins tall and will probably get to 6ft 5 to 6ft 7 in the next 3 years. He currently weighs 162 lbs. I am going to work him with
just the basic strength / power exercises over the next 12 months to increase his muscular weight to 180lbs. He is very lean body fat around 8%. He has good
but not outstanding genetics with no defects at all. He is fast on the field and of course I want to retain that aspect. I thought that 3 days of gym work
alternated with 3days of specific Rugby training then one days rest in the off season. Reducing this to 2 days of each gym and rugby training plus match day
followed by a rest day. I will oversee his food and supplement intake. As a trainer with vast experience do you think this a good program. I value your input.
Thanks.
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Posts: 261 ( 5-Aug-08 07:57:57) Administrator |
I would train him 2 times a week whole body all the time (with weights) either in season or out of season. The extra day of rest from lifting will help
him...just make him work EXTRA HARD the 2 days he lifts in the off season. During the season you have to be careful and make the workouts shorter (single set
of a few exercises) if they are right before a game etc. I would not put a limit on his weight goal either. Even 180 is very light and probably weak for the
height of 6-ft 3. Added muscle makes you faster - only added fat slows you down. With all the running around he is doing in rugby, I doubt he could get fat in
this stage of his life. Lucky him! :-) Just have him lift as heavy as he can safely on the basic compound lifts as you have said. You have a good plan. He
sounds like he does not eat enough so have him stuff his face for the next year with fish, meat, chicken, legumes, eggs, milk etc (and of course all the good
fruits and veggies too). Remember the old Hard Gainer slogan: Train Heavily, Eat Heavily, Rest Heavily, Grow Heavily. Good luck!
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jonsgym |
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Posts: 7 ( 5-Aug-08 08:39:56) |
Thanks Bob for the advice. I plan to increase his muscular weight to 180 lbs by next summer and then on gradually until at 20/21 years old he is around
220/230, maybe a little more at 6ft 6 / 6ft 7. I already have him drinking raw milk & protein drinks. Which do you think would be best Whey protein or a
good old fashion milk and egg protein. I lean towards the milk and egg myself but would be happy to accept any advice on the subject.
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M BOB WHELAN |
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Posts: 261 ( 5-Aug-08 09:25:35) Administrator |
I do not recommend ANY protein drink really. Old fashioned is just - milk- and a LOT of good food. Thats why I had to quit Herbalife because I could not make
money with it as I would not PUSH it. :-) Do what YOU believe as far as that goes - as long as he GETS the protein it does not really matter. If he likes to
eat there is no need for it. If he drinks a gallon of whole milk a day it gives 120 grams of protein and over 2,000 calories. Eat 2 cans of tuna or chicken or
turkey (as snacks between meals) and thats about 80 more grams. Thats 200 grams of protein WITHOUT THE -3- MAIN MEALS!!! The 3 main meals will give another 150
grams of protein. Thats about 350 grams of protein...enough to ship to a third world country. Powder is a waste of money for "normal, red blooded
guys" like us :-) who enjoy eating. If he hates to eat, then after seeing the shrink, let him eat the powder. Joking! One more thing...all that 7 pounds
of muscle in a year limit crap is PURE B.S.!!!!!! That is a TONER rule not a LIFTERS rule! I have had high school kids (still growing) gain 40 pounds of muscle
and a few inches in height in 9 months! Only the FEW who did what I told them with NO EXCUSES. If they say, I CAN'T drink all that milk or I CAN'T eat
all that Tuna or I CAN'T eat a dinner meal for breakfast, then forget it. Stay small and weak! Also, Make him eat DINNER for breakfast. 3 dinners per day.
No Euro breakfast of a roll and peice of cheese. Knife and fork Meat, Veggies, potatoes, salad, milk etc for breakfast (same as dinner.) No Sandwich for lunch
either. Dinner! If he WANTS IT HE'LL DO IT. Good luck!
**NOTE: This type of diet is ONLY for YOUNG, THIN, and VERY ACTIVE guys who NEED to gain a LOT of muscle. This is NOT for the average middle aged or older guy who wants to stay healthy, strong, fit and trim. Please don't waste our time on the board by saying stuff like putting on fat is not healthy etc. as we all know that. |
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jonsgym |
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Posts: 7 ( 5-Aug-08 13:58:46) |
Thanks Bob, I loved the" Euro breakfast " quote. It makes it sound like it is only for " Big Girl's Blouses " as we would say in
England.
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tarwxxl |
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Posts: 33 (14-Aug-08 17:04:10) |
I would agree with Bob 100%. I played rugby (tighthead prop) for nearly 30 years (from 11 years old) and got to a fair standard. I would only add this to what
Bob said:
1. Make sure you get your lad to invest some effort in strengthening his NECK - ALL players need to do this. Also don't neglect the other important "smaller" joints ie ankles (calf raises) wrists (hand/forearm exercises), it doesn't have to be much - but a set for each is a good investment. 2. I would consider cutting volume back even further during the in-season to 3 gym sessions every 2 weeks - depends on your lads recovery and other sessions. 3. Don't forget that scrummaging ( I assume he's a forward, either second row or back row at his height) and scrummaging practice will have a massive impact on his leg and back musculature - from experience of both I can tell you I'd rather do 2 sets of 350lbs x 20 squats than a REALLY hard scrummaging session! Be careful about scheduling his sessions with this in mind. Cheers, Steve. |
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jonsgym |
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Posts: 7 (16-Aug-08 02:55:58) |
Thanks for the advice Tarwxxl, I had thought of neck strengthening specifically as vital seeing the amount of hits you get in that area due to accidental high
tackles and general pressure in the scrums. I will not be involved in the game side of things just the strength work.
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Posts: 61 (16-Aug-08 15:48:09) |
Bob's advice is sound, as always. I admire anyone that plays Rugby, tough a** Sport! I wished they were playing Rugby when I was going through school. We
had Baseball, Basket Ball, Football, and Golf. After I got out (1964) they added wrestling, and Soccer.
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