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BenEdwards268 |
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Posts: 2 (26-Apr-10 20:39:21) |
Congrats Paul! Grip is really fun and gets in your blood.
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longdog.seriousstrength |
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Posts: 98 (30-Apr-10 14:49:27) |
Had a go with the thick bar DL today. God what a failure!
Dropped the weight a bit less than what I've been lifting but couldn't even pick it up, so dropped the weight by 50% and did a few reps feeling like I was going to drop it all the time due to it trying to roll out backwards. Luckily my finger and thumb just touch but using a double over hand grip it was just trying to rotate back out of my grip all the time. I never tried and over under grip as I wanted to get on with my regular routine but I guees to do so would be missing the point and making it less grip dependent? Will try it again next time but it'll only be working my grip not much DL action! Kev |
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grffn |
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Posts: 609 (30-Apr-10 15:13:56) Moderator |
long you could start with thick bar holds. Just unrack bar hold for time. Works grip without risking back. You will gain fast, before you know it you will be able to hold a decent weight for a while. Grip gains come really fast at the beginning Try CoC grippers
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longdog.seriousstrength |
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Posts: 98 (30-Apr-10 16:20:37) |
Will do, got a thick dumbell there too that I could load up a bit and let hang or wrist/curl with to save the back.
checked out the CoC grippers not sure which size to go with. How do they compare to the Ivanko grippers where yo can buy one gripper and adjust the force? Kev |
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longdog.seriousstrength |
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Posts: 98 (30-Apr-10 16:32:45) |
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grffn |
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Posts: 609 (30-Apr-10 18:03:15) Moderator |
The Ivanko is will do the trick. I like the CoC's better,just me tho. The trainer(T) is somewhat easy but I started with it. The #1 is a workout if your not used to training grip,chances are this one would be good for a while. the #1.5 thru to the #2 start to get rough. You move pretty quickly thru the Trainer to the #1. Then things slow down
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AaronCorcorran |
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Posts: 48 (30-Apr-10 18:15:59) |
Since you appear to be in the UK, let me recommend a vulcan adjustable gripper from David Horne. here is a link: http://www.davidhorne-gripmaster.com/shop.html#vulcan
I have about 40 different grippers, including some customs I have made or modified, I also have a PDA modified Super Gripper they call the Devils Advocate, and one of these Vulcans among other gripper type equipment. The Vulcan is right up there as far as one of my favorite pieces of equipment. - Aaron |
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longdog.seriousstrength |
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Posts: 98 ( 1-May-10 02:16:00) |
Cheers for all that.
Vulcan looks good, not so big and clumsy looking as the ivanko with good thick bars for comfort Decisions decisions.... |
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grffn |
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Posts: 609 ( 3-May-10 13:41:11) Moderator |
first time I have seen the Vulcan. Looks pretty good. Is it sold in the U.S.? How do you use it Aaron? sets,reps,ect. Any other info would be good
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AaronCorcorran |
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Posts: 48 ( 3-May-10 16:49:19) |
Not sold in the US and a fairly niche item not often seen outside of grip specialist circles. I ordered mine from David in the UK and paid the shipping. I use it just like grippers. Singles, hard Overcrushes, Negatives, and Strap holds with weight. # of Sets vary for me all the time depending on stage of contest prep. Sets and Reps are so dependent on ones end goal so this is a personal choice. For me its all about closing the next tougher gripper in competition. For some it may just be general hand strength or Endurance so it may not be necessary to specialise as much as I have. I've closed some of the lower end Ironmind #4's myself in comps and now I'm training for tougher ones. Its a very nice piece of equipment and worth the price even with shipping to the US because it can replace a whole pile of regular grippers due to the adjustability. If any of you guys end up getting one let David know I sent you.
- Aaron |
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psfisher |
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Posts: 10 ( 3-May-10 22:12:54) |
Paul, thanks for coming out for the training session on Sunday. Glad you had a good time. With a little instruction Paul was able to lift a 45# plate by the hub and tear his first phone book among other things. Great job!
- Aaron psfisher wrote: Thank you Aaron! Your generous hospitality and coaching have made me addicted to grip training and I have already added parts into my routine training. I look forward to our next meeting and I thank you again for you friendly helpful guidance. Stay strong my friend Paul |
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grffn |
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Posts: 609 ( 4-May-10 20:18:05) Moderator |
I probably will grab one. I like the variety of the different grippers. When you say you have closed a low end #4,how much varience is there from gripper to gripper. They are not uniform? how many reps would you need to close the #3 to get you close to the #4?
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AaronCorcorran |
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Posts: 48 ( 5-May-10 11:51:16) |
There is quite a bit of variance. It only gets worse the bigger they get too. For the grip contests we actually calibrate the closing pressure of the grippers using a method which basically hangs weights from a strap on the end of the handle. For the #4's I've tested from easiest to toughest that poundage variance is about equivalent to the difference in poundage between an average #2 and average #3 gripper. So that is a pretty big spread IMHO. Some numbers for comparison, using the RGC scale (redneck gripper calibration) with the pressure tested out on the end vs the middle of the handle like most of the manufacturers use for their claims.
Average closing pressures for Coc grippers: #1 - 83#, #2 - 110#, #2.5 - 130#, #3 - 150#, #3.5 - 179.5#, #4 - 209# Variance for #4: 190# - 230# I've closed a 194# - #4, 195# for another brand, and come within a hair of closing a 199# - #4. Around the time I first closed the 194# - #4, I got 21 reps on a #3 in a rep test and 6 reps on my #3.5. The amount of reps on a gripper to close the next one above it can vary quite a bit from person to person depending on muscle type and training style though. As a result reps are not usually a good indicator for whether you can close the next one up. - Aaron |
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J Duggan |
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Posts: 535 ( 5-May-10 13:37:36) Moderator |
Hey Aaron-
Have you tried the grippers made by Warren Tetting, and if so, how do they compare to the CoC in terms of accuracy according to the RGC scale, and in terms of variance between the grippers? |
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AaronCorcorran |
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Posts: 48 ( 5-May-10 14:07:31) |
I actually prefer the Tetting grippers myself. I like the way they load up and the heavier sharper knurling. They can vary as much as the Coc's though once you get into the bigger ones due to slight differences in mount, spread, spring temper, etc. Thats one reason why I have so many grippers, to be able to do small jumps between them. I also modify the Tetting's to allow for easy change in handle mount depth and sell them as adjustables to make up for those differences and allow for incremental progress. If you interested in typical RGC numbers for each of the Tetting gripper series let me know and I can see if I can get those posted as well.
- Aaron |
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grffn |
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Posts: 609 ( 5-May-10 15:42:06) Moderator |
190-230 thats quite a difference. I woulda thought it would be just a few lbs. 21 on a #3 is hard for me to even comprehend,thats an amazing feat. You must have some-kinda strong hands my friend!!!!!
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AaronCorcorran |
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Posts: 48 ( 6-May-10 11:34:42) |
grffn wrote:Thank you sir! I do what I can to make them so. - Aaron |
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